London Mayor Sadiq Khan Invites Donald Trump To Meet British Muslims – To Prove They’re Not ‘Bad People’
I wrote this article when Khan made his outrageous and condescending statement and since then he has criticised President Trump on more than one occasion. I wonder what lessons Mayor Khan will teach the British people now? Katie Hopkins gives one of the best analysis on the London attack and the state of Britain I have read in a long time. In her article, she calls out Khan and all like him for what they are. His words are more than hollow – empty of sincerity when he can’t bring himself to even mention Islamic terrorism bringing death and mayhem to the streets of London. Maybe they are still good people? When he says (below) to base our view of Islam on our experience of Islam we should take him to heart! It is perverse that this date was chosen – when we were remembering another brutal attack in Brussels – Islam attacks the very heart of our country.
You are probably aware by now that Sadiq Khan the new London mayor has said he wanted to educate the ignorant Mr Trump by introducing him to his family and others of the Islamic faith in the UK in order to show him how much Muslims are part of mainstream British life. He believes that neither Trump or his close advisers know much about mainstream Muslims in the UK and were basing their opinions on what they saw in the media.
Look, a lot of people may not have met Muslims because they live in an area where there aren’t Muslims. They may not have broken bread with a Muslim, they don’t work with a Muslim, they don’t have children going to a school where Muslims are…So the only experience they have of Muslims could well be what they see on TV on the news when there are criminals, terrorists, bad people committing acts of terror and terrorism, using the name of Islam to justify their acts. And so I accept some people’s view of Islam may be clouded by what they see on the TV and the news.
It reminds me of growing up and living during the Ulster conflict – the troubles (68 to 98). People that did not know Ulster took their opinions from what was in the media (which was invariably always bad news). Most had never visited Ulster and had no first hand knowledge of it or the conflict, yet held strongly felt views about it at times. This is what Khan is saying about the Trump camp.
Base your views on experience of Muslims
Khan is advocating that we base our views on an experiential model, i.e. how we find Muslims in our personal interaction with them. In the long term this can be a very useful tool for getting to know someone, but it is not recommended that you use this method in
isolation of what you know about value systems and customs – what people believe and do in their lives over a period of time. It works best with individuals but runs into major problems when you are looking at a group of people not only over time but over a geographical area.
For example you know someone from East London and you come to a conclusion about them, their culture and their character. This conclusion based on experience is true of that person but what about the Muslim or Christian in an other location, say Bradford, Leeds, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. You do not know them as individuals, therefore you can’t apply your experience to them.
So my point to Donald Trump is: if it is the case that your views on Islam are ignorant, if it is the case that you have not met Muslims who are compatible with, comfortable with Western values, to all purposes ‘normal’ – come to London…There are literally hundreds of thousands of Londoners who are Muslim and Western. Meet my family, meet me, meet my friends, meet other Londoners and hopefully that will reassure that it’s possible.
Mr Khan believes that Trump (among others) have a false view of Muslim integration into, and acceptance of, British society and wants to educate these ignorant group of people. How will he do this?
But also for him to meet my family, go to a mosque, meet youngsters, meet older people who love being British, love being Western but also are Muslim as well…Our city doesn’t just tolerate difference. We have Londoners who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Bhuddist, those who are not members of an organised faith. We celebrate and embrace that difference.
If you speak to Londoners (and my wife and I lived in London for a time) you will see that many of them do celebrate and embrace difference. But this is a trait of Londoners as a whole and speaks little about the Muslim view of integration and acceptance of British culture and values. A Muslim mayor is due to simple demographics in London and nothing else.
There is a school of thought among extremists, among terrorists which says that Western liberal values are not compatible with mainstream Muslims. That there’s a ‘clash of civilisations’, that it’s not possible to be Western and be Muslim.
Well for once I agree with Islam there is a clash of civilisations going on in the West between our culture and Islamic culture. He goes on to say:
We showed in London on May the 5th with my election that actually it’s perfectly compatible to be a mainstream Muslim and have Western liberal values.
He has inadvertently played into a thesis that extremists have. That’s why I think his views are ignorant.
That’s why it’s really important that those who advise him recognise that there are proud Americans who are proud Muslims as well. I’m not exceptional.
Mr Khan’s statements are exactly what we want to hear. You have nothing to fear from Islam, most of us are moderate Muslims and we love Western liberties just as much as you do. Music to our ears if it were true. Ah but we can prove it to you by staging a series of carefully planned and choreographed meetings and events to convince you that all is well. It does not matter that you do not see what is really going on on the ground over time, we gave you nice picture of harmony with good sound bits and photo ops.
I think it is time to consider what a proud Muslim is from a Muslim perspective.
Abed Awad what does Sharia Law mean to a Muslim
Abed Awad is described as:
` an authority, if not the authority, on Islamic issues in American courts, attorney Abed Awad, an adjunct law professor at Rutgers law school in New Jersey and founder of the renowned blog www.shariainamerica.com which digests American cases involving Islamic law.’
So we have two lawyers and one is seen as THE authority on sharia in the US. We look at sharia because we have over 85 sharia councils (courts) operating in the UK with more springing up on a regular basis. So what does he say about sharia and the Muslim?
Sharia and the Muslim
`Can you explain Shariah law to our readers?
Sharia is more than simply “law” in the prescriptive sense. It is also the methodology through which a jurist engages the foundational religious texts (Quran and Sunna) to ascertain divine will. As a jurist-made law, the outcome of this process of ascertaining divine will is called fiqh (positive law), which is the moral and legal anchor of a Muslim’s total existence. Everything from the way we eat, to how we treat animal and protect our environment, to the way we conduct commercial trade, the Sharia governs every aspect of an observant Muslim’s moral life.’
This is very enlightening: what is said and what is not said and it is obvious that it is for the consumption of a non-Muslim American audience and has been crafted very carefully. It is nothing more than Family Law, therefore we have nothing to worry about. Sarah Haider’s video is interesting in this respect.
Now we can better understand his statement in the Huffington Post that Muslims will never be able to be American, unless we renounce our faith if they cannot practice sharia law.
Abed Awad tells us that sharia is grounded and rooted in the foundational religious texts (Quran and Sunna) and that the jurist engages with these foundational religious texts to ascertain divine will. So the basis of sharia law are these foundational religious texts and that sharia is the moral and legal anchor of a Muslim’s total existence.
He goes on to say about sharia and the move in the US to ban it:
`It is undermining the Muslim community around the country,” he said. “[These bans are] trying to make Muslims and sharia the subject of debate and that we, as Muslims in this country, are suspect, that we will never be able to be American, unless we renounce our faith.’ (emphasis mine).
So a Muslim who practices their faith will have sharia as the moral and legal anchor of their total existence. The clear implication is that Muslims living in America (or anywhere else see Islam: a Nation within Nations – Islamic Supremacism) must put Islam first (it is a divine imperative) and being American (or British, or French or anything else) does not really come into it when it comes to how a true (moderate?) Muslim thinks and acts. Sharia is all that matters and listening to the law of the land rather than sharia is unthinkable to a committed Muslim.
How can a Muslin consider obeying a secular law against sharia when sharia is the legal anchor of a Muslim’s total existence. So if you ask a Muslim American (or a Muslim living in the UK, France, Holland etc) to submit to the American Constitution, and its associated laws, over against sharia law he/she would be horrified because according to the definition laid out here (by the number one Muslim authority on sharia in the States) you are asking them to become apostates (and we should know what happens to apostles under sharia). This would obviously be the same as British law.
Now we have complete clarity and can understand why sharia is central to a Muslim’s whole existence. He or she cannot function without it because it is the basis of their total existence. I am hammering this point because it is central to the whole issue (as Abed Awad himself points out with force). To be a Muslim is to obey sharia (above everything else) with your whole being, it is the core of your existence. Sharia is a divine imperative that you cannot ignore if you hope to attain salvation according to the Koran. To not practice it is to abandon your faith and that is apostasy (dealt with within sharia).
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or al-Taqiyya
What is Sharia?
Abed Awad has put his case very clearly about the centrality of sharia to a Muslim because it is the divine will. When he describes what is contained in sharia he states:
`Everything from the way we eat, to how we treat animal and protect our environment, to the way we conduct commercial trade, the Sharia governs every aspect of an observant Muslim’s moral life.‘
This all seems so ordinary and harmless and this is how it is meant to be seen. But the things that he does not mention as part of this governing every aspect of an observant Muslim’s moral life is striking to say the least. It is important that we do not latch on to the term moral life. Sharia is not restricted to a Muslim’s moral life. It is law in the prescriptive sense as well as positive law, thus it is the moral and legal anchor of a Muslim’s total existence.
So is sharia just about the type of benign things given as examples? Some things come to mind:s: food, how to treat animals, environment, how to do business etc? All seems so politically correct does it not? Terms coached in a way to resonate in the hearts and minds of reasonable people in the 21st century who are not from the Islamic tradition. Well-meaning and trusting people. But did we get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth on the nature and content of sharia law?
- Place of women in Islam and their rights
- Treatment of children (especially young girls and child marriage)
- Honour killings
- Treatment of lawbreakers
- Treatment of non-Muslims
- Treatment of dissent in Islam –political, religious and legal (sharia)
- View of democracy
- View of other religions and cultural identities
- View of individual freedom and liberties
- For example can you cast aside Islam without serious consequences?
These are just a few, but things that are important. See the full article:
I have looked at what sharia means to Muslims from what can only be described as a moderate Muslim who is an expert in sharia. We see that sharia is the center of a Muslim’s life and to ask them not to practice it would be paramount to asking them to stop being a Muslim. This is why Muslims fight so hard to have sharia implemented in Western countries.
The Muslim community in the UK and Western values
Khan maintains that if we only meet some moderate Muslims in the UK we would see that they have embraced liberal values and are as committed to them as any non Muslim would be. This position seems disingenuous to say the least. Why so?
Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.
The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the “feelings and motives” of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.
So 40% of British Muslims (that is 1,200,000!) want sharia law throughout the UK. Why? It is simple they do not believe that Western cultural values match up to their own therefore they need to impose their own values on the UK. As I argue in Shari’a Law & American Courts – Islamic Supremacism it is a rejection of our values because their values are far superior to Western values. Nothing more or less than Islamic Supremacism.
If this is not worrying enough a fifth have sympathy with the “feelings and motives” of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people (that is 600,000). It is shocking that 600,000 have admitted that they feel this. Yet Khan assures us everything is fine and London/England is a model to be held up to the rest oft he world as an example. It leads to the question: An example to what?
Of whole sections of the Muslim community in the UK becoming more radical and feeling more alienated from mainstream society. This is exactly what Trevor Philips is telling us (see below).
Khan is well aware of what is happening in the country. In the same article it is reported:
Last night, Sadiq Khan, the Labour MP involved with the official task force set up after the July attacks, said the findings were “alarming”. He added: “Vast numbers of Muslims feel disengaged and alienated from mainstream British society.” Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “This poll confirms the widespread opposition among British Muslims to the so-called war on terror.”
The most startling finding is the high level of support for applying sharia law in “predominantly Muslim” areas of Britain.
This is why it is disingenuous of Mr Khan to assure us everything is fine because mainstream Muslims have proudly embraced Western liberal culture. At least 40% are unwilling to embrace our legal system and want sharia instead. Are they mainstream Muslims that we do not have to worry about, or are they becoming increasingly radicalised as the report suggests?
Mr Khan needs to tell us what is actually going on rather than feeding us with views of the world that are simply delusional and self deceiving.
Sharia is not consistent with Western liberal values
When Khan says that he would introduce Mr Trump to many British Muslims and that by interacting with them would come to realise that they do support Western values and have integrated into British society. It is because he has not done this which makes him ignorant of Muslims. If this is all it needs to convince a person I would not be writing this piece. My family is mixed race (my wife being from a Muslim majority country) I have lived and worked in South East Asia, East Africa and the Middle East. I have lived and worked in Indonesia (2 years), Iraq (3 assignments), Afghanistan, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan and traveled the Gulf. I have done everything Mr Khan says you should do to get to know Muslims. Yet my lasting impression is that Islam is the antithesis of Western civilisation.
I am not saying that every Muslim is at odds with Western culture and the freedoms that it gives us, for I personally know many who love Western freedoms because it gives them the freedom to say no to sharia. What I am saying is that Islam as an ideology is incompatible with Western values.
People Trump should meet if he comes to the UK
It would be good if Mr Trump could meet everyone Mr Khan would introduce him to, but he also needs to interact with the following people to get an overall view, to ensure he does not stay ignorant.
They campaign for the total ban on sharia in the UK. As you can see from the picture there are more than one organisation seeking this end. It is worth looking at a press release for a recent conference:
On Saturday 30 April 2016, women’s rights campaigners will speak at a “Conference on Sharia Law, Legal Pluralism and Access to Justice” in central London from 11:30am-5:30pm.
The conference proceeds correspondence with the Government following a hand delivered letter to 10 Downing Street on 10 December 2015 signed by nearly 400 individuals and organisations urging David Cameron to hold an inquiry into and dismantle discriminatory Sharia courts and other religious arbitration forums.
At the conference, and for the first time in the UK, Humanist Muslim Elham Manea, a professor at the University of Zurich, will present the finding of her soon to be published book: “Women And Sharia Law: The Impact Of Legal Pluralism In The UK,” which includes first-hand analysis of the Islamic Sharia councils and Muslim arbitration tribunals in various British cities, interviews with experts on extremism, lawyers, politicians and activists in civil society and women’s rights groups. She will offer a scathing critique of legal pluralism, with evidence of its connections with Islamism and the adverse consequences for women in Muslim communities
UK Report: Muslim Women Being Abused By Sharia Law Courts
Originally posted 2016-05-22 00:46:03. Republished by Blog Post Promoter